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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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truesteel, откуда такая уверенность? Я например поставил эти пять треков подряд, и звучат они вполне логично в одном ключе... так что я больше склонен верить архивам...

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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2 songs fro so-called demo#3 are not sounded like early Avenger, but in the same vein as demo'85. It is possible that they were not recorded at the same rehearsal session but I think it could not be 1983. It seems to me that all information about these demos is not confirmed.

короче, вся инфа по мне никем не проверена, но по звучанию так называемое демо#3 никак не вяжется с тем, как звучала группа в 1983 году.

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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If you want to have all the demos and rehearsal well tagged this is how i got it from Germany :


Avenger (Ger) - 1st Demo :

1 - Rock of Ages
2 - Destination Day

( With Peter Burtz in vocals ! After this demo he will join Steeler...)
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Avenger (Ger) - Demo 2 (1983)

1 - Faster Than Hell
2 - Adoration
3 - Destination Day
4 - Assorted By Satan
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Avenger (Ger) - Demo 3 (1983)

1 - Destination Day
2 - Mirror
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Avenger (Ger) - Demo 4 (1984) (COMPLETE VERSION)

1 - Battlefield
2 - Southcross Union
3 - Adoration
4 - Bloodlust
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Avenger (Ger) - Rehearsal (1985)

1 - Great King Wenzeslaw
2 - Victim Of Rock
3 - 7 Gates Of Hell
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I also received a private live recording :

Avenger (Ger) - Live, "Korne", Dortmund, Germany, 1984

1 - Battlefield
2 - Southcross Union
3 - Halloween
4 - Reign Of The Creature
5 - Prayers Of Steel / Drum Solo / Sword Made Of Steel
6 - Adoration
7 - Bloodlust
8 - Faster Than Hell
9 - Assorted By Satan
10 - Victim Of Rock


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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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And who send these demos to you? If it's no secret of course ))
And why demo#3 is so different from other demos except rehearsal'85?

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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And who send these demos to you? If it's no secret of course ))
And why demo#3 is so different from other demos except rehearsal'85?


Do you want me to write a name and a adress ? :nunu:

What is SO DIFFERENT in the sound of demo 3 ? I don't get it :shok:
I advise you to listen all demos and songs by it's chronological date release.


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Someone tried to ask the musicians themselves, where did these demos, and when and who was involved in writing them? :vic:

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I've listened to them in chronological order. Demo#3 is out place here. The sound is too heavy, Peavy's voice is too rough.
If this information was received from musicians I can possibly believe in 1983. However, musicians themselves could be wrong after more than 25 years)
may be some scans of the tape (I mean inlay text with date or something like this) with demo#3 exists. It could proof the right year when this demo was recorded.

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There is only a way to sort this out :
Ask Peavey ! :pardon:

Maybe Avenger used different studios and producers for the demos and that's why they sound a bit different from demo to demo.
Different studios can make that : Just compare Iron Maiden's 1st album to Killers.

There aren't any scans available because these demos were released in tape form without any covers.

As i said, i received this stuff from a german collector who does tape trading since early 80's.
In the 80's we used to trade dubbed tapes and that's why today it still shows up obscure old stuff as some people still rip and share their hidden treasures...As a matter of fact you can consider yourself lucky for listen these demos since the Metal Archives submitter never spreaded them.
Or you think it was Strad or Strappado who ripped and uploaded them ? :smile:

If you're trusting Metal Archives informations, i would advise you not to trust it 100% as it's full of mistakes...
Just an example - In Metal archives, it says this band was from Texas
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114321

Now, the ex-guitar player said they were from Chicago (read the profile of the user ) :
http://www.youtube.com/user/chargergsd# ... mcfnsz2eSE


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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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truesteel wrote:

Or you think it was Strad or Strappado who ripped and uploaded them ?


I have NEVER said I ripped those tapes. I clearly gave credits to Strad, but as it seems now, he wasn't the original uploader of it.

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Пожалуй тоже выскажусь...Жозе прав,его информация правдива...На чем я основываю свое мнение...На том,что я знаю откуда взялись эти рипы в интернете,кто их сделал и откуда у этого человека появились,так сказать оригиналы и информация по ним....


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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2010 
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Thanks klod77 !
I would never fake any information. No-one can be sure 100%. Anways i received it tagged like i said . And i find really strange that the rehearsal tape submitted to MA as it was, includes 3 songs in private studio with no production more 2 songs produced in studio...
But i don't wish to be stubborn on this matter. Maybe EG Power is right...who knows ?
It's not the first time people disagree on some recordings and it won't be the last time either :smile:

Also it doesn't matter now who was the ripper or original uploader or the the www poster.
Let's all enjoy the music. That's what matters in the end of the day.


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Also it doesn't matter now who was the ripper or original uploader or the the www poster.
Let's all enjoy the music. That's what matters in the end of the day.


The best thing I have read in a long time! well said!Image

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PostPosted: 26 Nov 2010 
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Останусь согласным с Егором, тем более, что папочки я уже пересортировал... :blum:

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ой, а я всё время думал, его имя читается как "Хосе" :oops:


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На всякий случай перезалью то, что уже нашли (архивы и трэк-листы взяты с LockJaw):

Avenger - 1983 - Faster than Hell (demo)

1. Faster than Hell
2. Adoration
3. Destination Day
4. Assorted by Satan

MultiUp l Narod

Avenger - 1983 - Demo #3

1. Destination Day
2. Mirror

MultiUp l Narod

Avenger - 1983 - Demo

1. Rock Of Anger
2. Destination Day

MultiUp l Narod

Avenger - 1984 - Demo

1. Battlefield
2. Southcross Union
3. Adoration
4. Blood Lust

MultiUp l Narod

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PostPosted: 04 Mar 2012 
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Я поменял своё мнение! Теперь я согласен с Jose... Предлагаю удалить 4-ый и 5-ый трек отсюда, т.к. без всякого сомнения слышно, что эти треки записаны не в этот день, не в этой студии, не на тех настройках, не в том ключе!
И кстати, здесь неплохо бы перенести 4-х трековый треклист из адишенал нотесов! А то не красиво как-то...

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